MAJ :
+4 Arbor Elf -4 Boreal Druid
+4 Might of the masses -2 Magnify -2 Elvish Branchbender


// Lands
12 Forest

// Creatures
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Fyndhorn Elves
4 Arbor Elf
4 Birchlore Rangers
4 Quirion Ranger
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Quirion Sentinel
4 Winnower Patrol
4 Timberwatch Elf
4 Imperious Perfect (U)

// Spells
4 Wirewood Pride
4 Might of the masses

// Sideboard (pas optimisé)
SB: 3 Duress
SB: 3 Wrap in Vigor
SB: 3 Ostracize
SB: 3 Wellwisher
SB: 3 Færie macabre


Le seul deck qui peut tuer les Eldrazi en combat (mais ça ne suffit pas à gagner) !

... ou le comble de la mauvaise foi :

3 lands + perfect + 5 jetons, ce ne serait pas une combale à 8 cartes non plus ?

Parler de victoire avec une main lorsqu'on mentionne du long terme, ce n'est pas très malin. C'est le plan de jeu de slivo que de tutoriser les slivos gagnants tout en prévenant avec prismatic. Elfe est plus violent au départ mais prismatic + des 3/3 rapidement peuvent le calmer assez rapidement et sur le long terme, slivo me semble être mieux paré.

Ecoute, j'ai testé quelques game et peut-être que Ulrich sait pas jouer (ce que je dote fort tout de même) ou qu'il avait pas la chatte ou alors que slivoïdes est un deck qui sort particulièrement bien dans mes mains toujours est-il que j'ai du gagner 80% des parties.
Je me rappelle que Fly + prismatics faisait souvent game. Pour le reste, je me rappelle pas de tous les détails (et je ne joue pas provocateur).

je joue Lys alanas huntmaster comme kill de soutien

Maintenant je ne sais plus jouer !? Plus sérieusement elfe est un match-up légérement positif pour slivo à cause de virulent + vol , point ! C'est d'autant plus rageant qu'effectivement, slivo est plutot mou au demarrage ! Et pour Xia , sache que le lys alana ne change rien au probléme car les tokens ne volent pas (tésté aussi)! La solution serait de trouver une carte competitive qui donnent le vol à nos oreilles pointues !

Joun :
J'aimerai connaitre la liste d'Elfes qui réussit à perdre ainsi; je me rappelle de certains choix qui me paraissent plus que discutable (Multani's Acolyte la 2/1 pour 4 par exemple)

Lys alana huntmaster étant un autre exemple de cartes qui rentrent dans une autre optique que le deck du sujet.


charlee :
Je ne comprends pas ton argument; j'ai déjà convenu que Sliver gagnerait sur le long terme; le problème c'est qu'Elfes ne te laissera jamais atteindre ce long terme;
à chaque tour, Elfe peut potentiellement te tuer si jamais tu laisses passer une seule 1/1 qui devient beaucoup/beaucoup;
Par contre le coup des 3/3 me fait rigoler quand Elfes se mange les Eldrazi au petit déjeuner.

Je vais faire quelques parties ce soir, et je les poste; ce sera mieux que d'argumenter sans fin.

Faudra aussi poster les listes respectives avec lesquelles tu testeras, pour qu'on puisse comparer sur de saines bases :)

// Lands
7 Plains
7 Forest
4 Terramorphic Expanse

// Creatures
4 Virulent Sliver
4 Plated Sliver
4 Sidewinder Sliver
4 Sinew Sliver
4 Muscle Sliver
4 Spinneret Sliver
1 Talon Sliver
1 Crystalline Sliver
2 Homing Sliver

// Spells
4 Chromatic Star
4 AEther Vial
2 Commune with Nature
4 Prismatic Strands


Opponent vs Player [20/04/2010 12:47:59]

0:00:00 [] Player shuffles library
0:00:00 [] Opponent shuffles library
0:00:00 [] <-------- New Game Started -------->
0:00:00 [] Player's Security Code: 1E6BE432 [???]
0:00:00 [] Opponent's Security Code: 3C4C671C [???]
0:00:00 [] It is now turn 1 (Player)
0:00:00 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:00 [] Player draws 7 cards
0:00:00 [] Opponent draws 7 cards
0:00:05 [] Player flips a coin: HEADS
0:00:07 [] It is now turn 2 (Opponent)
0:00:07 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:10 [] Opponent plays Forest from Hand
0:00:15 [] Opponent plays Nettle Sentinel from Hand
0:00:16 [] Opponent taps Forest
0:00:18 [] It is now turn 3 (Player)
0:00:18 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:25 [] Player takes a mulligan
0:00:29 [] Player draws a card
0:00:29 [] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:00:31 [] Player plays Plains from Hand
0:00:32 [] Player taps Plains
0:00:33 [] Player plays Sidewinder Sliver from Hand
0:00:34 [] It is now turn 4 (Opponent)
0:00:34 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:35 [] Opponent untaps his/her permanents
0:00:35 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:00:36 [] Opponent draws a card
0:00:36 [] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:00:37 [] Opponent plays Forest from Hand
0:00:41 [] Opponent taps Nettle Sentinel
0:00:43 [] Player's life total is now 18 (-2)
0:00:46 [] Opponent taps Forest
0:00:46 [] Opponent taps Forest
0:00:47 [] Opponent plays Quirion Sentinel from Hand
0:00:50 [] Opponent untaps Nettle Sentinel
0:01:04 [] Opponent plays Birchlore Rangers from Hand
0:01:09 [] Opponent taps Birchlore Rangers
0:01:10 [] Opponent taps Nettle Sentinel
0:01:11 [] Opponent plays Arbor Elf from Hand
0:01:12 [] Opponent untaps Nettle Sentinel
0:01:16 [] It is now turn 5 (Player)
0:01:16 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:01:18 [] Player untaps his/her permanents
0:01:18 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:01:19 [] Player draws a card
0:01:19 [] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:01:21 [] Player plays Forest from Hand
0:01:22 [] Player taps Plains
0:01:22 [] Player taps Forest
0:01:23 [] Player plays Sinew Sliver from Hand
0:01:37 [] It is now turn 6 (Opponent)
0:01:37 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:01:38 [] Opponent untaps his/her permanents
0:01:38 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:01:40 [] Opponent draws a card
0:01:40 [] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:02:31 [] Opponent taps Birchlore Rangers
0:02:32 [] Opponent taps Nettle Sentinel
0:02:34 [] Opponent taps Forest
0:02:35 [] Opponent taps Forest
0:02:36 [] Opponent plays Timberwatch Elf from Hand
0:02:37 [] Opponent untaps Nettle Sentinel
0:02:45 [] Opponent taps Arbor Elf
0:02:46 [] Opponent untaps Forest
0:03:28 [] Opponent taps Quirion Sentinel
0:03:28 [] Opponent taps Nettle Sentinel
0:03:30 [] Player's life total is now 14 (-4)
0:03:32 [] Opponent taps Forest
0:03:33 [] Opponent plays Llanowar Elves from Hand
0:03:34 [] Opponent untaps Nettle Sentinel
0:03:36 [] It is now turn 7 (Player)
0:03:36 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:03:37 [] Player untaps his/her permanents
0:03:37 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:03:38 [] Player draws a card
0:03:38 [] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:03:40 [] Player plays Forest from Hand
0:03:45 [] Player taps Forest
0:03:46 [] Player plays Commune with Nature from Hand
0:03:47 [] Player taps Forest
0:03:47 [] Player taps Plains
0:03:51 [] Player is looking top 5 cards of its Library...
0:03:57 [] Player puts a card on bottom of Library from Library
0:03:57 [] Player puts a card on bottom of Library from Library
0:03:57 [] Player puts a card on bottom of Library from Library
0:03:57 [] Player puts a card on bottom of Library from Library
0:04:00 [] Player puts Sinew Sliver into play from Library
0:04:01 [] Player stops looking its Library...
0:04:02 [] Player puts Sinew Sliver to Hand from Play
0:04:03 [] Player puts Commune with Nature to Graveyard from Play
0:04:04 [] Player plays Sinew Sliver from Hand
0:04:14 [] It is now turn 8 (Opponent)
0:04:14 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:04:15 [] Opponent untaps his/her permanents
0:04:15 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:04:16 [] Opponent draws a card
0:04:16 [] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:04:19 [] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
0:04:23 [] Opponent taps Nettle Sentinel
0:04:24 [] Opponent taps Quirion Sentinel
0:04:24 [] Opponent taps Birchlore Rangers
0:04:25 [] Opponent taps Arbor Elf
0:04:27 [] Opponent taps Llanowar Elves
0:04:33 [] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step
0:04:48 [] Opponent taps Timberwatch Elf
0:04:57 [] Llanowar Elves is now 7/7
0:04:59 [] Opponent taps Forest
0:05:00 [] Opponent plays Might of the Masses from Hand
0:05:06 [] Arbor Elf is now 7/7
0:05:08 [] Opponent puts Might of the Masses to Graveyard from Play
0:05:10 [] Player's life total is now 0 (-14)
0:00:00 [] Player shuffles library
0:00:00 [] Opponent shuffles library
0:00:00 [] <-------- New Game Started -------->
0:00:00 [] Player's Security Code: 1E6BE432 [???]
0:00:00 [] Opponent's Security Code: 3C4C671C [???]
0:00:00 [] It is now turn 1 (Player)
0:00:00 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:00 [] Player draws 7 cards
0:00:00 [] Opponent draws 7 cards
0:00:13 [] Player plays Terramorphic Expanse from Hand
0:00:15 [] Player puts Terramorphic Expanse to Graveyard from Play
0:00:16 [] Player is looking its Library...
0:00:19 [] Player puts Plains into play from Library
0:00:19 [] Player taps Plains
0:00:20 [] Player shuffles library
0:00:20 [] Player stops looking its Library...
0:00:20 [] It is now turn 2 (Opponent)
0:00:20 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:22 [] Opponent draws a card
0:00:22 [] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:00:23 [] Opponent plays Forest from Hand
0:00:25 [] Opponent taps Forest
0:00:26 [] Opponent plays Fyndhorn Elves from Hand
0:00:27 [] It is now turn 3 (Player)
0:00:27 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:28 [] Player untaps his/her permanents
0:00:28 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:00:28 [] Player draws a card
0:00:28 [] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:00:29 [] Player plays Forest from Hand
0:00:32 [] Player plays Virulent Sliver from Hand
0:00:32 [] Player plays Sidewinder Sliver from Hand
0:00:33 [] Player taps Forest
0:00:33 [] Player taps Plains
0:00:35 [] It is now turn 4 (Opponent)
0:00:35 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:37 [] Opponent untaps his/her permanents
0:00:37 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:00:38 [] Opponent draws a card
0:00:38 [] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:00:39 [] Opponent plays Forest from Hand
0:00:41 [] Opponent taps Forest
0:00:41 [] Opponent taps Fyndhorn Elves
0:00:42 [] Opponent taps Forest
0:00:43 [] Opponent plays Fyndhorn Elves from Hand
0:00:45 [] Opponent plays Llanowar Elves from Hand
0:00:47 [] Opponent plays Quirion Ranger from Hand
0:01:04 [] Opponent puts Forest to Hand from Play
0:01:08 [] Opponent untaps Fyndhorn Elves
0:01:09 [] Opponent taps Fyndhorn Elves
0:01:10 [] Opponent plays Quirion Ranger from Hand
0:01:11 [] It is now turn 5 (Player)
0:01:11 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:01:12 [] Player untaps his/her permanents
0:01:12 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:01:13 [] Player draws a card
0:01:13 [] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:01:14 [] Player plays Forest from Hand
0:01:37 [] Player taps Sidewinder Sliver
0:01:37 [] Player taps Virulent Sliver
0:01:40 [] Opponent's life total is now 18 (-2)
0:01:44 [] Opponent puts a 1/1 Poison token into play
0:01:47 [] Poison now has 2 (+2) counters.
0:01:52 [] Player reveals a Muscle Sliver
0:01:52 [] Player reveals a Homing Sliver
0:01:52 [] Player reveals a Homing Sliver
0:01:52 [] Player reveals a Prismatic Strands
0:01:53 [] It is now turn 6 (Opponent)
0:01:53 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:01:54 [] Opponent untaps his/her permanents
0:01:54 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:01:55 [] Opponent draws a card
0:01:55 [] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:01:56 [] Opponent plays Forest from Hand
0:02:20 [] Opponent taps Forest
0:02:20 [] Opponent taps Forest
0:02:21 [] Opponent taps Fyndhorn Elves
0:02:27 [] Opponent plays Winnower Patrol from Hand
0:02:32 [] Opponent taps Llanowar Elves
0:02:32 [] Opponent taps Fyndhorn Elves
0:02:35 [] Opponent puts Forest to Hand from Play
0:02:35 [] Opponent untaps Fyndhorn Elves
0:02:36 [] Opponent taps Fyndhorn Elves
0:02:37 [] Opponent plays Imperious Perfect from Hand
0:02:51 [] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
0:02:56 [] Opponent taps Quirion Ranger
0:02:56 [] Opponent taps Quirion Ranger
0:03:01 [] Player's life total is now 16 (-4)
0:04:11 [] Player taps Forest
0:04:11 [] Player taps Forest
0:04:11 [] Player taps Plains
0:04:12 [] Player puts Homing Sliver to Graveyard from Hand
0:04:14 [] Opponent is looking opponent's Library...
0:04:37 [] Player puts Virulent Sliver into play from Library
0:04:38 [] Player shuffles library
0:04:38 [] Opponent stops looking opponent's Library...
0:04:40 [] Player puts Virulent Sliver to Hand from Play
0:04:41 [] It is now turn 7 (Player)
0:04:41 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:04:42 [] Player untaps his/her permanents
0:04:42 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:04:43 [] Player draws a card
0:04:43 [] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:04:47 [] Player plays Plains from Hand
0:04:58 [] Player taps Forest
0:05:02 [] Player plays Virulent Sliver from Hand
0:05:03 [] Player taps Forest
0:05:03 [] Player taps Plains
0:05:04 [] Player plays Muscle Sliver from Hand
0:05:28 [] It is now turn 8 (Opponent)
0:05:28 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:05:29 [] Opponent untaps his/her permanents
0:05:29 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:05:30 [] Opponent draws a card
0:05:30 [] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:05:31 [] Opponent plays Forest from Hand
0:05:50 [] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step
0:05:54 [] Opponent taps Fyndhorn Elves
0:05:56 [] Opponent taps Fyndhorn Elves
0:05:56 [] Opponent taps Llanowar Elves
0:05:57 [] Opponent taps Quirion Ranger
0:05:59 [] Opponent taps Quirion Ranger
0:06:01 [] Opponent taps Winnower Patrol
0:06:02 [] Opponent taps Imperious Perfect
0:06:33 [] Opponent plays Wirewood Pride from Hand
0:06:34 [] Opponent plays Might of the Masses from Hand
0:06:56 [] Player's life total is now -4 (-20)

2-0 la 2è étant litigieuse

Sur la 2, au lieu de tutoriser j'aurais surement dû jouer Prismatic pour pouvoir la rejouer gratis du cimetière; mais cela illustre bien le problème de slivoïde : ne pas pouvoir tout faire dans les premiers tours !

Opponent vs Player [20/04/2010 13:08:10]

0:00:00 [] Player shuffles library
0:00:00 [] Opponent shuffles library
0:00:00 [] <-------- New Game Started -------->
0:00:00 [] Player's Security Code: 1E6BE432 [???]
0:00:00 [] Opponent's Security Code: 3C4C671C [???]
0:00:00 [] It is now turn 1 (Player)
0:00:00 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:00 [] Player draws 7 cards
0:00:00 [] Opponent draws 7 cards
0:00:04 [] Player flips a coin: HEADS
0:00:06 [] It is now turn 2 (Opponent)
0:00:06 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:08 [] Opponent plays Forest from Hand
0:00:08 [] Opponent plays Fyndhorn Elves from Hand
0:00:10 [] Opponent taps Forest
0:00:11 [] It is now turn 3 (Player)
0:00:11 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:12 [] Player draws a card
0:00:12 [] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:00:13 [] Player plays Terramorphic Expanse from Hand
0:00:15 [] Player puts Terramorphic Expanse to Graveyard from Play
0:00:16 [] Player is looking its Library...
0:00:21 [] Player puts Forest into play from Library
0:00:21 [] Player taps Forest
0:00:22 [] Player shuffles library
0:00:22 [] Player stops looking its Library...
0:00:23 [] It is now turn 4 (Opponent)
0:00:23 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:24 [] Opponent untaps his/her permanents
0:00:24 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:00:24 [] Opponent draws a card
0:00:24 [] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:00:25 [] Opponent plays Forest from Hand
0:00:31 [] Opponent taps Forest
0:00:32 [] Opponent taps Fyndhorn Elves
0:00:32 [] Opponent taps Forest
0:00:34 [] Opponent plays Nettle Sentinel from Hand
0:00:35 [] Opponent plays Birchlore Rangers from Hand
0:00:42 [] Opponent plays Fyndhorn Elves from Hand
0:00:43 [] It is now turn 5 (Player)
0:00:43 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:44 [] Player untaps his/her permanents
0:00:44 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:00:45 [] Player draws a card
0:00:45 [] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:00:46 [] Player plays Plains from Hand
0:00:47 [] Player plays Muscle Sliver from Hand
0:00:48 [] Player taps Forest
0:00:48 [] Player taps Plains
0:00:49 [] It is now turn 6 (Opponent)
0:00:49 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:50 [] Opponent untaps his/her permanents
0:00:50 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:00:51 [] Opponent draws a card
0:00:51 [] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:00:56 [] Opponent taps Birchlore Rangers
0:00:56 [] Opponent taps Nettle Sentinel
0:00:58 [] Opponent taps Forest
0:00:58 [] Opponent taps Forest
0:00:59 [] Opponent plays Imperious Perfect from Hand
0:01:00 [] Opponent untaps Nettle Sentinel
0:01:01 [] Opponent taps Fyndhorn Elves
0:01:02 [] Opponent taps Fyndhorn Elves
0:01:02 [] Opponent taps Nettle Sentinel
0:01:03 [] Opponent taps Imperious Perfect
0:01:04 [] Opponent plays Imperious Perfect from Hand
0:01:05 [] Opponent untaps Nettle Sentinel
0:01:08 [] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
0:01:15 [] Opponent taps Nettle Sentinel
0:01:23 [] Player's life total is now 16 (-4)
0:01:24 [] It is now turn 7 (Player)
0:01:24 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:01:25 [] Player untaps his/her permanents
0:01:25 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:01:25 [] Player draws a card
0:01:25 [] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:01:30 [] Player reveals a Prismatic Strands
0:01:38 [] Player reveals a Homing Sliver
0:01:38 [] Player reveals a Chromatic Star
0:01:38 [] Player reveals a Spinneret Sliver
0:01:38 [] Player reveals a Homing Sliver
0:01:38 [] Player reveals a Virulent Sliver
0:01:38 [] Player reveals a Plated Sliver
0:01:39 [] Player taps Plains
0:01:40 [] Player plays Plated Sliver from Hand
0:01:41 [] Player taps Forest
0:01:43 [] Player plays Virulent Sliver from Hand
0:01:51 [] It is now turn 8 (Opponent)
0:01:51 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:01:52 [] Opponent untaps his/her permanents
0:01:52 [] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:01:53 [] Opponent draws a card
0:01:53 [] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:01:57 [] Opponent taps Nettle Sentinel
0:02:36 [] Opponent taps Forest
0:02:37 [] Opponent taps Forest
0:02:39 [] Opponent taps Fyndhorn Elves
0:02:41 [] Opponent plays Imperious Perfect from Hand
0:02:42 [] Opponent untaps Nettle Sentinel
0:02:47 [] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
0:02:49 [] Opponent taps Nettle Sentinel
0:02:49 [] Opponent taps Birchlore Rangers
0:02:51 [] Opponent taps Imperious Perfect
0:02:52 [] Opponent taps Imperious Perfect
0:02:55 [] It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step
0:02:55 [] Opponent taps Fyndhorn Elves
0:02:56 [] Opponent plays Might of the Masses from Hand
0:03:05 [] Nettle Sentinel is now 5/5
0:03:11 [] Imperious Perfect is now 4/4
0:03:14 [] Imperious Perfect is now 4/4
0:03:27 [] Birchlore Rangers is now 11/11
0:03:29 [] Opponent puts Might of the Masses to Graveyard from Play


Je n'ai aucune envie de continuer, c'est juste ridicule :(

Au final, je m'en fous, vous croyez ce que vous voulez.

... c'est ridicule, Idf ne sait pas compter :

A la fin de la dernière partie présentée, Nettle est 4/4 et non 5/5, les perfects sont 3/3, Birchlore doit être donc 10/10 (flemme de compter)

Et puis c'est ridicule : il ne sait pas builder sliver vu que la liste s'encombre de commune with nature et de chromatic, il ne sait pas jouer vu qu'il garde une main à 3 cartes à 3cc avec seulement 2 lands dont un terra, il n'a pas le skill pour piocher vial...

Ironie, hein...


Plus sérieusement, je n'ai jamais dit qu'elves n'avait pas les moyens de dérouler slivo, bien au contraire, mais slivo sait aussi faire des sorties goresques (genre avec vial et sans les "encombrements" que j'ai vu là haut) et elves ne sort pas systématiquement Birchlore+Nettle dans les 2 premiers tours.

Moi, je vois plus le MU autour de 60-40 en faveur d'elves, non pas à 90-10 comme tu sembles l'avancer.

3 Perfect : mes comptes sont bons

Pour ceux qui ne l'auraient jamais vu :
IdfTrotter

(1+1)*1mp1-1try1 = 1337

... c'est effectivement ridicule, je ferais mieux de dormir les nuits au lieu d'essayer de suivre des listes de petits caractères afin de paraître intelligent. Mais ça n'en fait pas moins une sortie des plus goresques que le deck puisse faire.

Même pas.

Le deck joue 16 boosts. En piocher 4 (et Impérieuse n'est pas le meilleur, juste le plus cher) en 10 cartes, c'est bien, ce n'est pas extraordinaire.

Je remarque aussi, que je n'ai jamais pioché la combo Timberwatch / X Quirion.

En passant, Prismatic quand tu joues à +50% la même couleur que l'adversaire, c'est tout de suite moins bon.

faut arreter dans vos débats stériles hein, slivoide se fait clairement allumé par elf, quand l'un à 2 slivoide, l'autre à déja attaqué avec 10 elf, slivoide n'a saa chance seulement quand elf fait une sortie molle. slivoide a un peu plus de chance quand il a le toss. un gars qui sait jouer sait que quand slivoide à 3 mana open c'est qu'il s'apprete à jouer prismatic. de plus le coup de poison + vol = win et bien ça ne tient pas, les version joue qu'un seul volant, il faut donc le toper ou alors le recycler, ce qui ne se fait pas tout de suite.

elf est clairement supérieur à slivoide.

si on fait elf VS slivo

Justement, la est la question.

Et je trouve que elf a en effet un temp d'avance sur slivo

Euh non quoi..

Elf joue 40 créatures, Slivos 30 et aucun des deux paquet ne pioche (On parle pas de la version avec Distant Melody).
Certes Elf vide sa main plus vite, ce qui lui donne un avantage en nombre sur le board pdt quelques tours, mais guère (slivo sait aussi vider sa main au tour 5 hein).
A partir de là, nombre de bête sur le board = nombre de bête piochée = environ 4/3 pour elf = pas tant que ça, surtour que les créatures sont dans l'absolu plus petites.

Non ce qui donne l'avantage à elf, c'est pas tellement l'explosivité je pense, mais bien Timberwatch Elf+Wirewood Pride+Might of the masses qui lui permet justement d'exploiter ce surplus de créature.
Dans ce cas de figure, les deux armées se regardent de travers jusqu'à ce qu'elf ait assez de créature pour tuer avec un boost+le boost (ce qui doit arriver assez vite) ou que slivo ait le vol et assez de sauce/poison sur la table (ce qui m'a l'air d'arriver bien plus tard).
Ici, on comprend pourquoi Prismatic Strands est intéressant, au moins pour contrer pride/might sur la créature non bloquée.. (moins bon contre le timberwatch par contre)

Donc oui, elf aggro bat slivos, mais je vois plus du 60/40 comme le suggère charlee, pas complètement ingagnable pour slivo donc.
(Sans parler de la side ou slivo a le droit de jouer du removal aussi).

Une version combo d'elf par contre, doit pouvoir goldfisher contre slivo bien plus facilement.

je prefere combo et distant melody, c'est genial, et ça permet de faire face a slivo plus rapidement